The Scream Queen Interviews Kjetil Vidar-Haraldstad of 1349 & Satyricon
Date: December 3, 2010
How
would you describe how your co-headline tour with Triptykon has been doing so
far?
I think the tour is a great one. As far as crowds go, it's been up and down,
really. I guess that promotion of the tour could have been a little better, I
just also saw that when this tour was being planned, it was a Triptykon tour. 1349 entered as a co-headliner at a later stage, so local promoters
promoted it as a Triptykon with "guests" kind of tour. I feel that 1349's reputation hasn't really been taken advantage of to it's full
extent. We're trying to rectify that situation, now that we are on the tour.
But, we can't turn back time and I guess 1349 fans that haven't got to
know that we're around or don't understand that this a co-headliner tour.
Still, the crowds have been good in very many places and I really love to
tour with Triptykon. There's a bond between 1349 and Triptykon that is perhaps going a little beyond musical understanding,
musical bonding; there's spiritual bonding, as well. I think that two bands
together in one tour is a fantastic happening. I'm not sure whether people
realize what an event it is to have two such high-profile bands that basically
represent two extremes in the dark metal scene. You know, Triptykon being
very groovy, at times very doomy, and still also very sinister and black; and 1349, on the other hand, being very, very intense, fast, intricate, and
violent. But, you know, the darkness really binds us together, and also the fact
that I think I can hear some heritage that goes back to the 80's and to Celtic Frost in 1349's music and Triptykon, are today, the
band that really brings that heritage harder. I mean, Triptykon sounds
like Celtic Frost did in their heydays now, almost better even.
We love to tour with them, I can't emphasize that enough too; that's so weird
about that, it kind of fits on the bill, better than I realized in the
beginning, actually. I like their music, but I feel that they add something to
the bill that wouldn't have been there without them. So, they're great to jam
with us, as well.
Describe the
success received from Demonoir since it's release this past April [2010]?
Good, I think. I mean, I haven't seen any figures for that album as far as
sales go. It seems like our record company [Prosthetic Records] is
satisfied and that's a promising sign. Reviews have been fantastic; real, real
good and they are really happy with the album, very, very (inaudible) about it and songs we play from it live also works really well. So, we cannot
ask for that much more, can we?
The most important thing is that we, ourselves are satisfied with the album,
that it became what we wanted it to be. I feel it's, it's the album that 1349 has been trying to make all these years and now we've finally got to
release that musical project. We have been taking steps up the ladder in order
to make it happen. We have gone through the motions, we have brought the
intensity, and the fastness there, and brutality, and also this deeper darkness,
and we managed to bring it all into one album and make it sound meaningful, like
everything came true to a very profound extent, like the intensity is coming
through even stronger than our earlier albums, and there's a definitely more
menacing darkness on this album than on any of the other earlier recordings.
And, those two factors combined, is simply ideal for 1349 because that's
what it's about.
Are there any plans for a new 1349 album to come out maybe next year?
We will get to work with that, certainly. But first we have to tour with this
album, I mean we released two albums without really getting to tour that much
with Revelations [of the Black Flame], so basically we're touring
with both of these albums now. We are going to keep up the touring cycle for a
while before we sit down to write and rehearse new material, but it's going to
happen. We have certain plans as for what we want the next album to have, but we
are also very open, like if we feel that somehow it would be better to go in
another direction, then we will let the music lead us there.
How do you
believe 1349 is perceived through the eyes of your fans?
I think that we are almost as many different perceptions as there are people,
it counters the band, it'll necessarily have to be that. I think that perhaps
there are some different main types of opinion. Perhaps you could say that there
are three categories of people or three categories of perceptions; there are
those people that perceive 1349 as a very fast, brutal, black metal band
that put us in the same league as other bands that mainly play very fast music,
and perhaps they see 1349 as a little one dimensional; certain people
like it to be that way. It's very far from my opinion of the band, but I do
understand that there are certain people that enjoy 1349 basically only
for the fast-pace of what our music is, and those people definitely would get
much out of Revelations of the Black Flame, for instance.
Then, I think there are people that simply see 1349 as an old-school,
no-kidding-around kind of black metal band and see us more in line with bands
like Darkthrone or early 90's black metal bands from Norway, and more
than just focusing on the fast-pace, they perhaps perceive the grimness of the
music, the fact that it's very rough, edgy, brutal, and violent, very dark.
I think there are some people that have gotten more, of what I would say, the
full picture, and that understand the importance of the darkness and the
ambience of the band and that see that 1349 really has a very creative
source, and that it's insane brutality and high pace that we often bring into
our songs. It's more like something that just comes from the band's spirit or
character. It felt natural for us to play very violent music and never hold
anything back, that is how I felt in the beginning and it still very much feels
that way. But as the band spirit has gotten to develop, we have also managed to
bring much more into it, and we have made 1349 a much more faceted
musical beast. And if that development wouldn't have happened, the band wouldn't
have existed today because we are not a band that could be satisfied, you know,
simply following a very predictable life.
Personally, I think that Revelations of the Black Flame is a
very, very important album for 1349, I find much of the band's soul in
that album, and the atmosphere that we have managed to capture is pretty much
done (inaudible) and I feel at the studio, where we go to record our
albums, is placed far out in the woods, a pretty desolate place, which has a
very, very particular and in-lack-of-a-better-word, I should say, ghostly
feeling to it. We draw so much inspiration from that, it brings us to the right
mind-set, or at least offers the kind of surroundings and scenery that easily
brings that mind-set and hence the album is close to our hearts because it's
almost like it's the essence of that feel which is captured on Revelations
of the Black Flame.
It's
a journey, I can very well understand that many people find it to be boring or
uninteresting, that it failed to catch certain people, I mean, I could expect
like 13, 14, or 15-year-olds are like into Dark Funeral, Marduk,
and 1349, and for them to like the album, what got them there, is
basically just the intensity and the wild pace and all that. They're enjoying
that and understand shit, you know, when an album like that and that kind of
music hits them.
Those that are more receptive to the more ambient and darker side of the band
will perhaps get the album. Though, many people are into it and I hear from
people that find the album to be extremely underrated and it's their favorite
album, I'm always happy when I hear that, because somehow I realize that they
have understood something that many people have missed, and that we, ourselves
care a lot about.
But still, it was very much of an experiment, we always knew that it would
meet harsh criticism from a lot of people and it's true that we don't really
expect everybody to like it, but then, it makes a little more sense when I hear Demonoir because of the blend of the deeper, scarier darkness that
you find on Revelations [of the Black Flame] and the insane,
insane brutality that you'd find on Hellfire and the earlier
albums. That merging of the two worlds is something that we're going to keep
focus on and yeah, that third category understands and appreciates the fact that
there's something more to 1349 than just the race-like speeds and
violence and brutality, but there are also people that do like that.
How do you let yourself connect through the music to create albums such as
Demonoir, Revelations, and Hellfire?
With 1349, that's pretty simple, actually because this band has a
very, very strong band spirit. There's something that will be present when we
are gathered, for instance, in rehearsal space or in the studio. That is what
when we're there simply as single individuals, that is something that is more
than just the sum of our qualities and properties, but there is something extra
that brings us to get in touch with the source or something deep, scary, and
very, very energetic. So, like, when our guitar player, Archaon, which is
our main composer now, and he writes music for 1349, he manages to really
to go beyond what we come up with, if he hadn't been part of this band.
This is so true, I think it's difficult to understand, but other people
around us, having witnessed the process with the band, that knows the different
individuals on a more personal level, they see very, very clearly. 1349,
itself, is an inspiring creative force for us, so when I do the drums also, I
basically let that band-spirit guide me, it gives me this urge to play extremely
violent and fast and to do very militant or brutal drum lines.
I saw some
clips from Until the Light Takes Us, the black metal documentary where you were
breathing fire and you did an artistic show of cutting yourself...
I haven't seen the movie. I don't know what's there, I don't remember. There
was so much that was filmed. It was a long time ago, it was something that I was
interested in at the time of the movie was being filmed, I didn't know exactly
what that project would end up in, but I understood from Aaron [Aites] and Audrey [Ewell], from what they seem like, it was a pretty artful
project. I also got the feeling it would be a movie that didn't really have a
proper storyline, and it wouldn't be like a typical documentary, but it would
have a more artful approach to it; trying to convey atmospheres and a movie that
was building quite much upon the visuality of all the black metal genre and the
interesting and fascinating aspects of that.
And at that time, I thought it was interesting myself to find other ways of
expression, and since I, myself am very interested in aesthetics and visuals, I
found it intriguing, and so hence, I enjoyed working with Audrey [Ewell] and Aaron [Aites] on this project and at the same time, I also worked
with an artist, actually a very respected and quite known artist in Norway
called, Bjarne Melgaard, he took part of a couple of performance
exhibitions that were rather extreme and one of them that was the one in Milan
[Italy] which didn't get banned, the other got banned; it was being filmed and
took elements from that and all that.
Then, time was passing and I got on with my other project and eventually I
started to lose a little interest in everything that I felt was (inaudible) projects that, you know, didn't have to do with my band or my
development as a musician. And also, all of these documentaries were starting to
come out, I was getting telephone calls from people who were getting ready to
make another film documentary. Students at school that were, you know, writing
to have their degrees, or whatever, writing about the history of black metal and
whatnot. And I just got fed up with it and thought, "This is too much now, I'm
not going to take part in anymore documentaries or any such things, we've
already been in a couple television programs about it, but enough is enough."
It's like this industry that's starting to get bigger and the main thing, we
were like, "We're losing focus here." So, that's enough of it, and quite a long
time after death again, I heard about it.
This project
was going to be released, and then I saw the title-- so what? It could probably
be interesting, but I feel a little finished with it. It fails to make me
interested. Then it was also the thing that I understood in it, it ended up as a
documentary anyway, I thought that perhaps it would be that. It's possible that
it's good, it's possible that I'm going to see it one day, but so far that has
not happened, and it's not something I feel the urge to do either. Apart of many
things, perhaps it's better to just not see it, so I would not be bothered by
something I just like. (laughs)
Have you done anything else since filming that with the fire breathing and
the artistic self-mutilation, or was that just it?
Umm... Well, the fire breathing is something that usually takes place when 1349 plays shows in Europe, here in America, you fan forget about that,
of course. After that Great White incident many years ago, people are
freaking out if you even mention the "F" word-- that's the fire; one thing that
has denied all use of pyrotechnics on stage, except perhaps arenas, and those
sort of places. But if you mention fire breathing to them, they are like, "What
the fuck? You plan to do that here, you will never perform here again if we as
much see a torch." So, unfortunately, that cannot happen.
Have you done any other types of art forms besides those that were mentioned
earlier?
No, I haven't. It was a short period when I found that to be interesting, and
long before that I liked to do drawings and to create symbols and decorations
and you know, work with stylistical elements that I find there to be time left
doing that. I let my universe revolve around drumming and the bands and the
music that I like, I can't find time for nothing else.
You
obviously have so much passion towards black metal and music, how did your
passion begin? And when did it?
I started to listen to that sort of music when I was 13-14, I guess, I had
already been into hard music for a while. But I think I heard my first extreme metal albums when I was that age. I got my turntable and I think
the first album I ever got was the first Bathory album, which to me was
enormous, that was also the first time that I actually realized that music could
have something dark to it.
It was puzzling me a little because I had gotten the album, I felt very drawn
to you know the color and the pentagram on the back, kind of a weird feeling of
it. I made a poster of it-- I made use of a copy machine, just made a little
poster, put it up on the wall, before I actually put on the album, I turned off
the lights in my little cellar room, and listened to it. It felt so impressive,
but I can't really you know find the right terms for it, I don't have the right
vocabulary, and for a while, I was just generally interested in hard, fast
extreme music.
Back then, it wasn't really those genres between thrash metal and black metal
and death metal. So, it was basically all speed metal or thrash metal; that is
what it was called. But then I got to Euronymus's [Øystein Aarseth] shop in Oslo, for the first
time, Helvete, I must've been 18, I guess, and something happened right
there. And then with this room was dimly lit, painted in black, there were wax
figures of people with capes, they were having bullet belts, there was like
blood that was running from the eyes, and so on. It was part of something
grotesque, they were using inverted crosses on the wall, things that were
obviously stolen from churches and so on. And also those few people that seemed
to be rather obscure figures and somehow, it just felt right.
It was like I had wanted to see and feel all of that and the music that was
being played in the shop and everything, it just connected very deeply within.
And already as I walked out of the shop having bought a couple demo tapes and an
album, perhaps, I felt that there was something for me here, and that would
probably be there for the rest of my life. And I gradually started to get into
it and follow that line of interest. There was like a door that had been opened
to me and I went in and closed it, lost it, and threw away the key! (laughs)
How
would you say 1349 has become stronger as a band over the years of being
together?
Well, it has become stronger because we, that are members of 1349,
have dedicated ourselves to the band to that extent and we, ourselves have grown
with the band, we have gotten better at composing music, we have increased our
technical musical skills and abilities and we have actively tried to learn from
the process of recording albums and basically tried to bring resources into the
band.
That strict focus on always improving and getting better, bringing resources
into the direction of the band has helped us a lot, and also the fact that we
are pushing the level of ambition all the time. We feel when we have reached
something that we have tried to achieve and put up new goals for ourselves that,
you know, are a little more involving; never to rest on one's laurels and never
be satisfied, having fans or formulas, whatever works. That's the way to
success, at least in musical terms, if not otherwise.