The Scream Queen Interviews Ken Sorceron of Abigail Williams!
Date: March 13, 2009
Note: If you're wondering what happened to their
keyboardist, Ashley Ellyllon, I was informed after the interview, when my
recorder was off, that she had quit and they are currently in search of a new
one...
How would you describe how your fan reaction has been ever since you
guys have gotten back together?
I think since our CD came out, it's been way better than it's ever been; we
were still developing a fan base for all this time, you know? Now, it's like
every tour we go out on, it's getting way better. So this tour, I've seen
probably the most enthusiastic crowds for us that we've ever had. But, I don't
know, it's really the straight up metal kids that really get into us, you know?
When we play to a hardcore audience, which happens on this tour with All Shall
Perish and Suffokate and stuff like that, I notice that we still do pretty good,
you know? Some people are confused, like "what the fuck is this?" but, you know,
it's been pretty good.
Do you notice during any particular song that you perform that the fans go
absolutely crazy for?
Watch Tower and Into the Ashes. People definitely get excited.
Being on tour with artists like All Shall Perish and Suffokate, who both
have very diverse styles, how do you think that affects your performances each
night?
Um, I don't know. You kind of have to alter the way you talk to the crowd, I
guess. Depending on what kind of audience you have, as a frontman, I can't talk
to a bunch of hardcore kids in the same manner that I would with death and black
metal kids. I don't know, you just have to gage the way you need to be, you
know? Those kids that are there that like to mosh and beat each other up, if you
tell them to do it, they will, and they like to be told to do it. So, that's
what I'll do, if that's what it's going to take for them to have fun when we're
performing. So, that's pretty much how I get by with that.
What has been your favorite song to play live on this tour?
I don't know, man. Into the Ashes, I feel like it's a pretty fun song. Um,
Watch Tower is always a fun song. We play the same songs all the time, so it's
like I'm kind of tired of them. But, there has never been a show where we've
never played Watch Tower and I'm still not sick of it, so that's good. Um, The
World Beyond, I like singing that song too. I don't know, there's definitely -
I'm looking forward to this summer; we're going to start adding more songs that
we've never played. So, I'm looking forward to that because it's getting to be
old.
What has been your most memorable concert you've played, and why?
Huh. Let me think about that. Well, there are so many shows-I mean, there
have been a lot of good shows, you know? Especially in the last three months,
there have been just so many good, memorable audiences; I mean, I guess it'd be
hard to pick one of those. But, I think one of our first shows ever, we opened
for Emperor, and that was really fucking awesome, for me. I'll probably never
forget that, so that's pretty memorable. Even though we pretty much sucked back
then. (laughs) But it was a memorable show. That was right here, in Hollywood;
House of Blues.
You guys have a uniquely combined sound of black metal, death metal, and
even hints of hardcore, that has developed over the last few years - how do you
want, or would you want to evolve it even more for your next few albums, or over
the next few years?
I feel like our sound has evolved to the point where we don't have any
hardcore influence in our songs. I feel like the media wants us to because it
gives them something to talk about than just another boring black metal band,
but the reality is, there isn't any. I think more people, once they listen to
the CD, they realize that. But, our sound is just going to progress even more;
it's going to get even more black metal, really. I mean, what we're planning is
going to be probably a little less keyboards and more guitar, but a lot colder
of a sound, you know. Still doing our own thing, you know. Still going to sound
like Abigail Williams but just we want to step everything up a notch. I've
already worked out a concept for the next three records. I've kind of been
keeping all this in mind for when we go to write the record.
Do you care to elaborate on that?
Not yet.
It's going to be a surprise?
Yeah. It's too much to talk about. But... It's going to be icy. The next
record is going to be icy, I'll just say that.
When can your fans expect a new album?
Probably early in 2010. Hopefully really early, as soon as possible.
What inspires you to write lyrics about Pagan beliefs and the cosmic
dynasties? Can you give me examples?
Um...I don't know, I mean- I just kind of like write about- when I'm
listening to the music that I just wrote, I'm kind of like "alright, what is
this saying to me?" and I just go with it. And if that's what imagery I get in
my head, you know, I'll just go with it and write the lyrics. I don't really set
out and say "oh, I need to write these types of lyrics" cause I really don't.
Most lyrics on A Shadow of a Thousand Suns, I wrote super quick. Some of them I
wrote in the studio, right before I went to sing them, and I free-styled the way
I did them, right then and there. So I mean, I didn't even think about it too
much, really. I was just going with it, trying to get a spontaneous vibe I
guess, I don't know.
When I was reading your
lyrics, I noticed that "Smoke and Mirrors" was quite a bit different from the
other songs, why is that?
I just had - at the time - sometimes I'll come up with lyrics and I'll have a
story in my head and then I'll just write the lyrics. But, I like people to
interpret shit, you know? So, I never really say: "hey this song is about this."
When I do, I notice people are usually surprised and they'll be like "Oh well, I
thought this." I don't want to ruin people's meanings of songs and stuff like
that. The next album will probably be more concept-driven. So, the lyrics will
probably be more congruent throughout, whereas this one was more/less just an
album; a collection of songs. Sometimes it seems like there's a concept I guess,
lyrically, throughout. But, I just try to keep a vibe and that song's kind of an
oddball song, I think, so I don't know... Lyrics just kind of went a different
way.
What is your favorite track on "In the Shadow of a Thousand Suns"? You can
only pick one.
Shit. Uh... (long pause) I can't pick two? (laughs)
Ok, you can pick two.
Either The World Beyond or The Departure.
Why's that?
I don't know... They just stick out the best in my mind. When I was writing
the music to The World Beyond, I was super excited; it was the first song we
wrote for the album. I felt like that was really a good direction, it kind of
influenced the rest of the songs, you know? And then, The Departure was a song
that I had written, that I didn't really even think was going to be an Abigail
Williams song, and it just ended up on the album. I don't know, I feel like it
kind of was some of the direction that we wanted to go in, you know? I like the
lyrics too; I like the lyrics to both of those songs. They're the most memorable
to me.
Your music articulates so much imagery through the instrumentals alone, how
do you even begin with writing that?
The music?
Yeah.
I'll just be sitting around and then I'll hear something in my head and I'll
be like "yeah, how do I play that?" and I'll figure it out. And then it's
usually like a keyboard par and I'll be like "alright, I'll program the keyboard
part and then I'll put guitar to that and drums to that." Sometimes these songs
will take weeks to write entirely and sometimes just one day. I don't know... It
depends on how quick it's flowing. Like, The World Beyond, we just wrote all in
one day, and a song like Acolytes, I kind of wrote in one day pretty much, just
in the studio even. I don't know... A song like Floods was over a course of a
year, or more. I remember I was playing the main riff - the main two riffs on an
acoustic guitar, when we were on tour in Scotland, and I just always remembered
it for some reason. When we were making songs for the album, I just remembered
it and put the rest to it. So, I don't know, sometimes I'll be watching a movie
or something and it's a really epic part and I'm inspired by that or something.
It just depends. Or in the van too - sometimes I'll just be driving along and
I'll have to put my headphones on with my computer and write out a part and
orchestration, or something, you know.
What is your opinion on the infamous church burnings in Norway?
Well, when I first heard about that shit, I got really excited, to be honest.
I was like- I couldn't believe people would be so extreme! And I was young, you
know like 15 when I heard about that shit. So, I was really just getting into
anti-Christian thought, and I was just super into it. (laughs) I always thought,
you know, this sort of thing you think about, that'd be cool to do; not
realistic though where we're from because if you burn a church, it's considered
a hate crime here and you'll get a lot of years in jail. (laughs) Not that I
would personally burn a church! But, I think if I was in that situation with
that group of, you know- they were all young back then, and I think if I was
hanging out with them, I'd probably get in on it, you know? Cause it was like a
movement. I mean, I feel like it was important for black metal as a movement
because it brought a lot of attention to it, you know? And I think the music
wasn't even as good at the time, necessarily. I think a lot of these musicians
developed right around that time and after, they became really great, you know?
But I feel like that attention could've possibly influenced that too, bringing
the spotlight to the scene, "now it's time to make good music." I think it's
probably not the smartest thing to do, to burn a church, but I'm not against it.
What do you think of the so-called black metal subgenre of "un-black metal"
or also known as "Christian Black Metal"?
Honestly, I don't pay any attention to it. I've heard a few bands, on
accident or whatever. Or someone's been like "check this out" and it's just not
something I'm interested in. I don't know, it's just not for me. I couldn't even
name one band from that scene --- oh! I could, but just one... You know? Like, I
don't really, I know they're out there; it's just not something I keep track of.
I just think- I'm not a fan of Christian metal, period. There have been a few
bands that I thought were pretty good, even though they were Christian. It's
just hard to listen to the lyrics for me because it makes me cringe, you know? I
don't know what to say, we're on tour with a Christian band right now.
Underneath the Guns is Christian and I mean they're really nice guys and we hang
out with them, they're not weird to us even though we totally are not into that.
I was kind of rude to them at first just because they were a Christian band, and
then they were just nice guys. Whatever, that's what their beliefs are, we still
get along. There are some examples of cool bands, but I hate Christian metal, it
sucks. It sucks. Ah man, IT'S THE WORST! It's so shitty! Kids are confused; kids
into that shit, I think are confused. It's like the cool thing right now to be
into God. It is! It's like, if you're in a Christian band, you automatically
have a fan base. It's the truth, its crazy shit. They'll go on tour and play
churches and shit - tons of kids buying all your merch because you know, I don't
know. I just grew up when metal was evil. (laughs) And that was cool. There's
definitely some fucking extreme- I've been noticing, the more we've been
touring, I've been noticing more and more black metal bands, younger ones,
popping up, some of them are pretty good. So I think something's going on, you
know? In the US at least.